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Chapter Three

P43: PRIMORDIAL DEBTS
Let us drive away the evil effects of bad dreams, just as we 
pay off debts. - Rig Veda 8.47.17

THE REASON THAT economics textbooks now begin with imaginary 
villages is because it has been impossible to talk about real 
ones. Even some economists have been forced to admit that 
Smith's Land of Barter doesn't really exist.1
1. Heinsohn & Steiger (1989) even suggest the main reason 
their fellow economists haven't abandoned the story is that 
anthropologists have not yet provided an equally compelling 
alternative. 

JCT: "People must have run tabs" is that hard to figure? 

Still, almost all histories of money continue to 
begin with fanciful accounts of barter. Another expedient is 
to fall back on pure circular definitions: if "barter" is an 
economic transaction that does not employ currency, then any 
economic transaction that doesn't involve currency, whatever 
its form or content, must be barter. Glyn Davies (1996:11-13) 
thus describes even Kwakiutl potlatches as "barter."

JCT: Treating the word "barter" as "exchange" never bothered 
me though some insist it means immediate equitable swap. 

DG: The question is why the myth has been perpetuated anyway. 
Economists have long since jettisoned other elements of The 
Wealth of Nations - for instance, Smith's labor theory of 
value 

JCT: The one think I always liked was the "labor" theory of 
value. Every energy resource reaped needed the energy of a 
reaper. Human Manpower*Time + Material M*c^2 = Goods 

DG: and disapproval of joint-stock corporations. Why not 
simply write off the myth of barter as a quaint Enlightenment 
parable and instead attempt to understand primordial credit 
arrangements - or anyway, something more in keeping with the 
historical evidence? The answer seems to be that the Myth of 
Barter cannot go away because it is central to the entire 
discourse of economics.

JCT: Because Economics is a cover story rationalizing 
loansharking, need something central to its discourse even if 
it's false. 

P45: Call this the final apotheosis of economics as common 
sense. Money is unimportant. Economies - "real economies" - 
are really vast barter systems. 

JCT: They are really vast systems that do effect "barter" over 
time. 

DG: The missing element is in fact exactly the thing Smith was 
attempting to downplay: the role of government policy. In 
England, in Smith's day, it became possible to see the market, 
the world of butchers, ironmongers, and haberdashers, as its 
own entirely independent sphere of human activity because the 
British government was actively engaged in fostering it. This 
required laws and police, but also specific monetary policies 
which liberals like Smith were (successfully) advocating.7  
7. On the government role of fostering the "self-regulating 
market" in general, see Polanyi 1949. The standard economic 
orthodoxy, that if the government just gets out of the way, a 
market will naturally emerge, without any need to create 
appropriate legal, police, and political institutions first, 
was dramatically disproved when free-market ideologues tried 
to impose this model in the former Soviet Union in the 1990s.

JCT: Actually, huge "barter" trading networks did arise and 
I've reported how 750 State and Municipal Governments paid 
their employees with their own bonds. 

DGL The century before The Wealth of Nations had seen at least two 
attempts to create state-supported central banks, in France 
and Sweden, that had proven to be spectacular failures. In 
each case, the would - be central bank issued notes based 
largely on speculation that collapsed the moment investors 
lost faith. 

JCT: What, they couldn't be used to pay taxes like King 
Henry's Tallies. You have to wonder how they could screw it 
up.  

DG: Smith supported the use of paper money, 

JCT: As if material of which chips are made matters.

DG: but like Locke before him, he also believed that the 
relative success of the Bank of England and Bank of Scotland 
had been due to their policy of pegging paper money firmly to 
precious metals. 

JCT: Locke thinks we need yellow rock for our chips... Har har 
har. 

DG: This became the mainstream economic view, so much so that 
alternative theories of money as credit - the one that 
Mitchell-Innes advocated - were quickly relegated to the 
margins, their proponents written off as cranks, and the very 
sort of thinking that led to bad banks and speculative bubbles 
in the first place. 

JCT: Pro inflatable-orthodox-currency advocates 
shouted "Funny Money." If their own system wasn't working, you 
have to wonder what they were laughing at. 

DG: It might be helpful, then, to consider what these 
alternative theories actually were.

P46: DEBT

State and Credit Theories of Money
Mitchell-Innes was an exponent of what came to be known as the
Credit Theory of money, a position that over the course of the 
nineteenth century had its most avid proponents not in 
Mitchell-Innes's native Britain but in the two up-and-coming 
rival powers of the day, the United States and Germany. Credit 
Theorists insisted that money is not a commodity but an 
accounting tool. In other words, it is not a "thing" at all. 
You can no more touch a dollar or a deutschmark than you can 
touch an hour or a cubic centimeter. Units of currency are 
merely abstract units of measurement, and as the credit 
theorists correctly noted, historically, such abstract systems 
of accounting emerged long before the use of any particular 
token of exchange.8
8. Innes as usual puts it nicely: "The eye has never seen, nor 
the hand touched a dollar. All that we can touch or see is a 
promise to pay or satisfy a debt due for an amount called a 
dollar." In the same way, he notes, "All our measures are the 
same. No one has ever seen on ounce or a foot or an hour. A 
foot is the distance between two fixed points, but neither the 
distance nor the points have a corporeal existence" 
(1914:155).9 
9. Note that this does assume some means of calculating such 
values - that is, that money of account of some sort already 
exists. This might seem obvious, but remarkable numbers of 
anthropologists seem to have missed it.

The obvious next question is: If money is a just a yardstick, 
what then does it measure? The answer was simple: debt. A coin 
is, effectively, an IOU. Whereas conventional wisdom holds 
that a banknote is, or should be, a promise to pay a certain 
amount of "real money" (gold, silver, whatever that might be 
taken to mean), Credit Theorists argued that a banknote is 
simply the promise to pay something of the same value as an 
ounce of gold. But that's all that money ever is. There's no 
fundamental difference in this respect between a silver 
dollar, a Susan B. Anthony dollar coin made of a copper-nickel 
alloy designed to look vaguely like gold, a green piece of 
paper with a picture of George Washington on it, or a digital 
blip on some bank's computer. Conceptually, the idea that a 
piece of gold is really just an IOU is always rather difficult 
to wrap one's head around, but something like this must be 
true, because even when gold and silver coins were in use, 
they almost never circulated at their bullion value.

JCT: At this point, I would specify that the "Credit 
Theorist" political movement in the Commonwealth, America and 
Germany were Social Credit Theorists advocating the State run 
the chips which didn't have to be made of metal. 

DG: How could credit money come about? 

JCT: Give them some poker chips and they'll figure it out. 

DG: Let us return to the economics professors' imaginary town. 
Say, for example, that Joshua were to give his shoes to Henry, 
and, rather than Henry owing him a favor, Henry promises him 
something of equivalent value.

JCT: In a Local Employment-Trading System, it can be recorded 
at central or you can write him an IOU. LETS is also a 
directory of goods and traders. 

DG: Henry gives Joshua an IOU. Joshua could wait for Henry to 
have something useful and then redeem it. In that case Henry 
would rip up the IOU and the story would be over. But say 
Joshua were to pass the IOU on to a third party - Sheila - to 
whom he owes something else. He could tick it off against his 
debt to a fourth party, Lola - now Henry will owe that amount 
to her. Hence, money is born, because there's no logical end 
to it. Say Sheila now wishes to acquire a pair of shoes from 
Edith; she can just hand Edith the IOU and assure her that 
Henry is good for it. In principle, there's no reason that the 
IOU could not continue circulating around town for years - 
provided people continue to have faith in Henry. In fact, if 
it goes on long enough, people might forget about the issuer 
entirely. Things like this do happen. The anthropologist Keith 
Hart once told me a story about his brother, who in the '50s 
was a British soldier stationed in Hong Kong. Soldiers used to 
pay their bar tabs by writing checks on accounts back in 
England. Local merchants would often simply endorse them over 
to each other and pass them around as currency: once, he saw 
one of his own checks, written six months before, on the 
counter of a local vendor covered with about forty different 
tiny inscriptions in Chinese.

P47: What credit theorists like Mitchell-Innes were arguing is 
that even if Henry gave Joshua a gold coin instead of a piece 
of paper, the situation would be essentially the same.  

JCT: Did it ever matter if we used clay or plastic poker 
chips? Paper or computer credits are easier to transfer for 
Star Trek use. 

DG: A gold coin is a promise to pay something else of 
equivalent value to a gold coin. After all, a gold coin is not 
actually useful in itself. One only accepts it because one 
assumes other people will. In this sense, the value of a unit 
of currency is not the measure of the value of an object, but 
the measure of one's trust in other human beings.

This element of trust of course makes everything more 
complicated. Early banknotes circulated via a process almost 
exactly like what I've just described, except that, like the 
Chinese merchants, each recipient added his or her signature 
to guarantee the debt's legitimacy. 

JCT: The Mexico City Tlaloc system had 10 spots on the back of 
each note issued that had to be signed by the current owner at 
transfer and only when all 10 member signatures were on a note 
was it deemed verifiable enough for further use. I think 10 is 
heavy but all those signatures on the back sure make it had to 
forge and easy for members (10 possible) to spot. 
 
DG: But generally, the difficulty in the Chartalist position - 
this is what it came to be called, from the Latin charta, or 
token - is to establish why people would continue to trust a 
piece of paper. 

JCT: Because the network has 10 people's signatures promising 
to accept it back is pretty good reason in Mexico City. 

DG: After all, why couldn't anyone just sign Henry's name on 
an IOU? True, this sort of debt-token system might work within 
a small village where everyone knew one another, or even among 
a more dispersed community like sixteenth-century Italian or 
twentieth-century Chinese merchants, where everyone at least 
had ways of keeping track of everybody else. But systems like 
these cannot create a full-blown currency system, and there's 
no evidence that they ever have. Providing a sufficient number 
of IOUs to allow everyone even in a medium-sized city to be 
able to carry out a significant portion of their daily 
transactions in such currency would require millions of 
tokens.10  
10. To give some sense of scale, even the relatively 
circumscribed commercial city-state of Hong Kong currently has 
roughly $23.3 billion in circulation. At roughly 7 million 
people, that's more than three thousand Hong Kong dollars per 
inhabitant.
To be able to guarantee all of them, Henry would have to be 
almost unimaginably rich.

JCT: Only if he tried to use an expensive medium for his 
chips. King Henry used sticks of wood and didn't need to be 
rich to print up all the regal IOUs (with stubs for 
verification) he wanted. Who'd want to get caught with a 
"supposed" tally that didn't have a corresponding stub in the 
King's Treasury? Pretty good reason to just work for the Tally 
rather than try to counterfeit it. 

DG: All this would be much less of a problem, however, if 
Henry were, say, Henry II, King of England, Duke of Normandy, 
Lord of Ireland, and Count of Anjou. The real impetus for the 
Chartalist position, in fact, came out of what came to be 
known as the "German Historical School," whose most famous 
exponent was the historian G.F. Knapp, whose State Theory of 
Money first appeared in 1905.11 
11. "State theory may be traced to the early nineteenth 
century and to [Adam] Muller's New Theory of Money, which 
attempted to explain money value as an expression of communal 
trust and national will, and culminated in [G.F.] Knapp's 
State Theory of Money, first published in German in 1905. 
Knapp considered it absurd to attempt to understand money 
'without the idea of the state.' Money is not a medium that 
emerges from exchange. It is rather a means for accounting for 
and settling debts, the most important of which are tax debts" 
(Ingham 2004:47.) Ingham's book is an admirable statement of 
the Chartalist position, and much of my argument here can be 
found in much greater detail in it. However, as will later 
become apparent, I also part company with him in certain 
respects.

JCT: I didn't know this history. Of course, there were 
money reformers in all countries. Bet these guys were on 
Social Credit's Major Douglas's reading list. 
http://SmartestManOnEarth.Ca/dougtxts  

DG: If money is simply a unit of measure, it makes sense that 
emperors and kings should concern themselves with such 
matters. Emperors and kings are almost always concerned to 
established uniform systems of weights and measures throughout 
their kingdoms. It is also true, as Knapp observed, that once 
established, such systems tend to remain remarkably stable 
over time. During the reign of the actual Henry II (1154-
1189), just about everyone in Western Europe was still keeping 
their accounts using the monetary system established by 
Charlemagne some 350 years earlier - that is, using pounds, 
shillings, and pence - despite the fact that some of these 
coins had never existed (Charlemagne never actually struck a 
silver pound), 

JCT: Notice how many civilizations use the Pound. The Mina was 
a pound! About a pound is always part of every measuring 
system. 

DG: According to the Chartalists, this doesn't really matter. 
What matters is that there is a uniform system for measuring 
credits and debts, and that this system remains stable over 
time. The case of Charlemagne's currency is particularly 
dramatic because his actual empire dissolved quite quickly, 
but the monetary system he created continued to be used for 
keeping accounts within his former territories for more than 
800 years. It was referred to, in the sixteenth century, quite 
explicitly as "imaginary money," and deniers and livres were 
only completely abandoned as units of account around the time 
of the French Revolution.13
13. Einaudi 1936. Cipolla (1967) calls it "ghost money."

JCT: "In-head" accounting with "ghost money." 

DG: According to Knapp, whether or not the actual, physical 
money stuff in circulation corresponds to this "imaginary 
money" is not particularly important. It makes no real 
difference whether it's pure silver, debased silver, leather 
tokens, or dried cod - provided the state is willing to accept 
it in payment of taxes. Because whatever the state was willing 
to accept, for that reason, became currency. 

JCT: That's the holy grail for any community currency system. 

DG: One of the most important forms of currency in England in 
Henry's time were notched "tally sticks" used to record debts. 
Tally sticks were quite explicitly IOUs: both parties to a 
transaction would take a hazelwood twig, notch it to indicate 
the amount owed, and then split it in half. The creditor would 
keep one half, called "the stock" (hence the origin of the 
term "stock holder") and the debtor kept the other, called 
"the stub" (hence the origin of the term "ticket stub.") Tax 
assessors used such twigs to calculate amounts owed by local 
sheriffs. Often, though, rather than wait for the taxes to 
come due, Henry's exchequer would often sell the tallies at a 
discount, and they would circulate, as tokens of debt owed to 
the government, to anyone willing to trade for them.14  

P49: Recall here the little parable about Henry's IOU. The 
reader might have noticed one puzzling aspect of the equation: 
the IOU can operate as money only as long as Henry never pays 
his debt. In fact this is precisely the logic on which the 
Bank of England - the first successful modern central bank - 
was originally founded. In 1694, a consortium of English 
bankers made a loan of L1,200,000 to the king. In return they 
received a royal monopoly on the issuance of banknotes. What 
this meant in practice was they had the right to advance IOUs 
for a portion of the money the king now owed them to any 
inhabitant of the kingdom willing to borrow from them, or 
willing to deposit their own money in the bank - in effect, to 
circulate or "monetize" the newly created royal debt. This was 
a great deal for the bankers (they got to charge the king 8 
percent annual interest for the original loan and 
simultaneously charge interest on the same money to the 
clients who borrowed it), but it only worked as long as the 
original loan remained outstanding. To this day, this loan has 
never been paid back. It cannot be. If it ever were, the 
entire monetary system of Great Britain would cease to 
exist.16 
16. It is also interesting to note, in this regard, that the 
Bank of England still kept their own internal accounts using 
tally sticks in Adam Smith's time, and only abandoned the 
practice in 1826.

JCT: Isn't the history you didn't know fascinating? 

DG: So what exactly was the point of extracting the gold, 
stamping one's picture on it, causing it to circulate among 
one's subjects - and then demanding that those same subjects 
give it back again? This does seem a bit of a puzzle. But if 
money and markets do not emerge spontaneously, it actually 
makes perfect sense. Because this is the simplest and most 
efficient way to bring markets into being. 
Let us take a hypothetical example. Say a king wishes to 
support a standing army of fifty thousand men. Under ancient 
or medieval conditions, feeding such a force was an enormous 
problem - unless they were on the march, one would need to 
employ almost as many men and animals just to locate, acquire, 
and transport the necessary provisions.17 
On the other hand, if one simply hands out coins to the 
soldiers and then demands that every family in the kingdom was 
obliged to pay one of those coins back to you, one would, in 
one blow, turn one's entire national economy into a vast 
machine for the provisioning of soldiers, since now every 
family, in order to get their hands on the coins, must find 
some way to contribute to the general effort to provide 
soldiers with things they want. Markets are brought into 
existence as a side effect.

p50: As one might imagine, state theories of money have always 
been anathema to mainstream economists working in the 
tradition of Adam Smith. 

JCT: We're anathema they run from while they're the butt of 
jokes we seek out. 

DG: In fact, Chartalism has tended to be seen as a populist 
underside of economic theory, favored mainly by cranks.18 

JCT: Seen by whom? Establishment shills. 

DG: 18. Appealing particularly to debtors, who were 
understandably drawn to the idea that debt is simply a social 
arrangement that was in no sense immutable but created by 
government policies that could just as easily be reshuffled - 
not to mention, who would benefit from inflationary policies.

JCT: Or a Zero-Inflation policy. 

DG: To return to Madagascar for a moment: I have already 
mentioned that one of the first things that the French general 
Gallieni, conqueror of Madagascar, did when the conquest of 
the island was complete in 1901 was to impose a head tax. Not 
only was this tax quite high, it was also only payable in 
newly issued Malagasy francs. In other words, Gallieni did 
indeed print money and then demand that everyone in the 
country give some of that money back to him. Most striking of 
all, though, was language he used to describe this tax. It was 
referred to as the "impot moralisateur," the "educational" or 
"moralizing tax." In other words, it was designed - to adopt 
the language of the day - to teach the natives the value of 
work. 

Since the "educational tax" came due shortly after harvest 
time, the easiest way for farmers to pay it was to sell a 
portion of their rice crop to the Chinese or Indian merchants 
who soon installed themselves in small towns across the 
country. However, harvest was when the market price of rice 
was, for obvious reasons, at its lowest; if one sold too much 
of one's crop, that meant one would not have enough left to 
feed one's family for the entire year, and thus be forced to 
buy one's own rice back, on credit, from those same merchants 
later in the year when prices were much higher. As a result, 
farmers quickly fell hopelessly into debt (the merchants 
doubling as loan sharks).  
The easiest ways to pay back the debt was either to find some 
kind of cash crop to sell - to start growing coffee, or 
pineapples - or else to send one's children off to work for 
wages in the city or on one of the plantations that French 
colonists were establishing across the island. The whole 
project might seem no more than a cynical scheme to squeeze 
cheap labor out of the peasantry, and it was that, but it was 
also something more. The colonial government was also quite 
explicit (at least in their own internal policy documents) 
about the need to make sure that peasants had at least some 
money of their own left over, and to ensure that they became 
accustomed to the minor luxuries - parasols, lipstick, 
cookies- available at the Chinese shops. It was crucial that 
they develop new tastes, habits, and expectations; that they 
lay the foundations of a consumer demand that would endure 
long after the conquerors had left, and keep Madagascar 
forever tied to France. 

P52: Such examples could be multiplied endlessly. Something 
like this occurred in just about every part of the world 
conquered by European arms where markets were not already in 
place. Rather than discovering barter, they ended up using the 
very techniques that mainstream economics rejected to bring 
something like the market into being. 

JCT: To steal the resources of the residents. 

DG: In Search of a Myth
Anthropologists have been complaining about the Myth of Barter 
for almost a century. Occasionally, economists point out with 
slight exasperation that there's a fairly simple reason why 
they're still telling the same story despite all the evidence 
against it: anthropologists have never come up with a better 
one.20 This is an understandable objection, but there's a 
simple answer to it. The reasons why anthropologists haven't 
been able to come up with a simple, compelling story for the 
origins of money is because there's no reason to believe there 
could be one. Money was no more ever "invented" than music or 
mathematics or jewelry. What we call "money" isn't a "thing" 
at all; it's a way of comparing things mathematically, as 
proportions: of saying one of X is equivalent to six of Y. As 
such it is probably as old as human thought. 

In 1894, the Greenbackers, who pushed for detaching the dollar 
from gold entirely to allow the government to spend freely on 
job-creation campaigns, invented the idea of the March on 
Washington - an idea that was to have endless resonance in 
U.S. history. L. Frank Baum's book The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, 
which appeared in 1900, is widely recognized to be a parable 
for the Populist campaign of William Jennings Bryan, who twice 
ran for president on the Free Silver platform - vowing to 
replace the gold standard with a bimetallic system that would 
allow the free creation of silver money alongside gold.21 
21. Silver was mined in the Midwest itself, and adopting bi-
metallism, with both gold and silver as potential backing for 
currency, was seen as a move in the direction of free credit 
money, and to allow for the creation of money by local banks. 
The late nineteenth century saw the first creation of modern 
corporate capitalism in the United States and it was fervently 
resisted, with the centralization of the banking system being 
a major field of struggle, and mutualism - popular democratic 
(not profit oriented) banking and insurance arrangements - one 
of the main forms of resistance. The bi-metallists were the 
more moderate successors of the Greenbackers, who called for a 
currency detached from money altogether, such as Lincoln 
briefly imposed in wartime (Dighe (2002) provides a good 
summary of the historical background.)

JCT: What's "free credit?" "Interest-free credit?"

bP53: As with the Greenbackers, one of the main constituencies 
for the movement was debtors: particularly, Midwestern farm 
families such as Dorothy's, who had been facing a massive wave 
of foreclosures during the severe recession of the 1890s. 
According to the Populist reading, the Wicked Witches of the 
East and West represent the East and West Coast bankers 
(promoters of and benefactors from the tight money supply), 
the Scarecrow represented the farmers (who didn't have the 
brains to avoid the debt trap), the Tin Woodsman was the 
industrial proletariat (who didn't have the heart to act in 
solidarity with the farmers), the Cowardly Lion represented 
the political class (who didn't have the courage to 
intervene). The yellow brick road, silver slippers, emerald 
city, and hapless Wizard presumably speak for themselves.22 
22. They only became ruby slippers in the movie.

"Oz" is of course the standard abbreviation for "ounce."23
23. Some have even suggested that Dorothy herself represents 
Teddy Roosevelt, since syllabically, "dor-o-thee" is the same 
as "thee-o-dor", only backwards.

As an attempt to create a new myth, Baum's story was 
remarkably effective. As political propaganda, less so. 
William Jennings Bryan failed in three attempts to win the 
presidency, the silver standard was never adopted, and few 
nowadays even remember what The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was 
originally supposed to be about.24
JCT: The changing from silver slippers to ruby shows intent to 
misinform so the censors thought he meant it that way too. 

DG: For state-money theorists in particular, this has been a 
problem. Stories about rulers using taxes to create markets in 
conquered territories, or to pay for soldiers or other state 
functions, are not particularly inspiring. German ideas of 
money as the embodiment of national will did not travel very 
well.
all national currencies were henceforth, as neoclassical 
economists like to put it, "fiat money" backed only by the 
public trust. And "fiat" money created by private banks is 
backed by the collateral pledged, usually in excess.   

JCT: The collateral for "fiat currency" is actually the tax-
redemption value. So not backed by the public trust but backed 
by the public need. 

P54: John Maynard Keynes.. conclusion was more or less the 
only conclusion one could come to if one started not from 
first principles but from a careful examination of the 
historical record: that the lunatic fringe was, essentially, 
right. Whatever its earliest origins, for the last four 
thousand years money has been effectively a creature of the 
state. To-day all civilized money is, beyond the possibility 
of dispute, chartalist.27

This does not mean that the state necessarily creates money. 
Money is credit, it can be brought into being by private 
contractual agreements (loans, for instance). The state merely 
enforces the agreement and dictates the legal terms. Hence 
Keynes' next dramatic assertion: that banks create money, and 
that there is no intrinsic limit to their ability to do so: 
since however much they lend, the borrower will have no choice 
but to put the money back into some bank again, and thus, from 
the perspective of the banking system as a whole, the total 
number of debits and credits will always cancel out.28 
28. The argument is referred to as the paradox of banking. To 
provide an extremely simplified version: say there was only 
one bank. Even if that bank were to make you a loan of a 
trillion dollars based on no assets of its own of any kind 
whatever, you would ultimately end up putting the money back 
into the bank again, which would mean that the bank would now 
have one trillion in debt, and one trillion in working assets, 
perfectly balancing each other out. 

JCT: But it doesn't work. That's the paradox. They forgot the 
trillion in debt grew with interest while the trillion in 
deposits did not, not perfectly balancing out. Forgetting the 
growth of debt unmatched by money causes the paradox. 

If the bank was charging you more for the loan than it was 
giving you in interest (which banks always do), it would also 
make a profit. 

JCT: Where does the interest come from to pay your interest. 
From someone else's Principal borrowed in the mort-gage. 

The same would be true if you spent the trillion - whoever 
ended up with the money would still have to put it into the 
bank again. Keynes pointed out the existence of multiple banks 
didn't really change anything, provided bankers coordinated 
their efforts, which, in fact, they always do.

P55: The real weak link in state-credit theories of money was 
always the element of taxes. It is one thing to explain why 
early states demanded taxes (in order to create markets). It's 
another to ask "By what right?" Assuming that early rulers 
were not simply thugs and that taxes were not simply extortion 
- and no Credit Theorist, to my knowledge, took such a cynical 
view even of early government - one must ask how they 
justified this sort of thing.

JCT: Contribute or leave? 

P56: Hindu texts constitute the earliest known historical 
reflections on the nature of debt. Actually, even the very 
earliest Vedic poems, composed sometime between 1500 and 1200 
BC, evince a constant concern with debt - which is treated as 
synonymous with guilt and sin.32 There are numerous prayers 
pleading with the gods to liberate the worshipper from the 
shackles or bonds of debt. Sometimes these seem to refer to 
debt in the literal sense - Rig Veda 10.34, for instance, has 
a long description of the sad plight of gamblers who "wander 
homeless, in constant fear, in debt, and seeking money." 
Elsewhere it's clearly metaphorical. 

JCT: Not gamblers who play blackjack, those who signed up for 
the mort-gage death-gamble are the gamblers running away. 

P59: Why were cattle so often used as money? The German 
historian Bernard Laum long ago pointed out that in Homer, 
when people measure the value of a ship or suit of armor, they 
always measure it in oxen - even though when they actually 
exchange things, they never pay for anything in oxen. It is 
hard to escape the conclusion that this was because an ox was 
what one offered the gods in sacrifice. Hence they represented 
absolute value.  
If you start from the barter theory of money, you have to 
resolve the problem of how and why you would come to select 
one commodity to measure just how much you want each of the 
other ones. If you start from a credit theory, you are left 
with the problem I described in the first chapter: how to turn 
a moral obligation into a specific sum of money, how the mere 
sense of owing someone else a favor can eventually turn into a 
system of accounting in which one is able to calculate exactly 
how many sheep or fish or chunks of silver it would take to 
repay the debt. 

JCT: That's what a free market is for. It's basically putting 
your product on the market and letting people bid on it. And 
you get what you're worth. Just like in a LETS timebank. 
Better producers command more Hours/hour. 

DG: Or in this case, how do we go from that absolute debt we 
owe to God to the very specific debts we owe our cousins, or 
the bartender? The answer provided by primordial-debt 
theorists is, again, ingenious. If taxes represent our 
absolute debt to the society that created us, then the first 
step toward creating real money comes when we start 
calculating much more specific debts to society, systems of 
fines, fees, and penalties, or even debts we owe to specific 
individuals who we have wronged in some way, and thus to whom 
we stand in a relation of "sin" or "guilt." 
This is actually much less implausible than it might sound. 
One of the puzzling things about all the theories about the 
origins of money that we've been looking at so far is that 
they almost completely ignore the evidence of anthropology. 
Anthropologists do have a great deal of knowledge of how 
economies within stateless societies actually worked - how 
they still work in places where states and markets have been 
unable to completely break up existing ways of doing things. 
There are innumerable studies of, say, the use of cattle as 
money in eastern or southern Africa, of shell money in the 
Americas (wampum being the most famous example) or Papua New 
Guinea, bead money, feather money, the use of iron rings, 
cowries, spondylus shells, brass rods, or woodpecker scalps.42  

The reason that this literature tends to be ignored by 
economists is simple: "primitive currencies" of this sort are 
only rarely used to buy and sell things, and even when they 
are, never primarily to buy and sell everyday items such as 
chickens or eggs or shoes or potatoes. Rather than being 
employed to acquire things, they are mainly used to rearrange 
relations between people. Above all, to arrange marriages and 
to settle disputes, particularly those arising from murders or 
personal injury.

P61: Barbarian Law Codes," established by many Germanic 
peoples after the destruction of the Roman Empire in the 600s 
and 700s - Goths, Frisians, Franks, and so on - soon followed 
by similar codes published everywhere from Russia to Ireland, 
make it abundantly clear just how wrong are conventional 
accounts of Europe around this time "reverting to barter." 
Almost all of the Germanic law codes use Roman money to make 
assessments; penalties for theft, for instance, are almost 
always followed by demands that the thief not only return the 
stolen property but pay any outstanding rent (or in the event 
of stolen money, interest) owing for the amount of time it has 
been in his possession. 

Compensation in the Welsh laws is reckoned primarily in cattle 
and in the Irish ones in cattle or bondmaids (cumal), with 
considerable use of precious metals in both. In the Germanic 
codes it is mainly in precious metal . . . In the Russian 
codes it was silver and furs, graduated from marten down to 
squirrel.

P63: We don't even know if interest-bearing loans existed in 
Vedic India - which obviously has a bearing on whether priests 
really saw sacrifice as the payment of interest on a loan we 
owe to Death.47 

JCT: Of course interest-bearing loans have existed since the 
dawn of man when two guys both wanted to borrow another's 
abundance and first offered the incentive of a little more 
than the next guy. 

47. Interest-bearing loans certainly existed in Mesopotamia, 
but they only appear in Egypt in Hellenistic times, and in the 
Germanic world even later. 

JCT: I've written how interest always arises naturally in 
times of scarcity: 

HOW INTEREST ARISES 
One tale to show how interest occurs quite easily, 
Especially when humans find themselves in scarcity: 
A father leaving his estate, his sons he has but four, 
To each of them he gives a sac of seed to grow some more. 
The first son had misfortune due to natural event, 
The loss of crop to a tornado, the predicament. 
The second son, he suffered too, with locusts in his field, 
His children soon would starve after an insufficient yield. 
The third son had a tiny crop, but it was touch-and-go, 
He had eight kids who ate most everything that he could grow. 
The fourth son's crop was bountiful, his granaries were full. 
His brothers asked if some spare seeds might be available. 
In his right ear he heard advice that he knew to be true, 
"Do help them out and should you fail, they'll be there 
helping you." 
But in his wrong ear he heard words so greedy in their tone, 
"Don't risk security for your success was all your own. 
But if you rent your seeds to them and gain from what they 
reap, 
You soon won't have to work with interest to earn your keep." 
At some point in man's history, a brother chose that way, 
Enslaved with debt all of the others lasting to this day. 

JCT: As soon as you have some spare and there are others 
short, they'll compete to offer you interest. The only 
possible reason there might have been no interest-bearing 
loans in such cultures is if the ruler was providing his own 
interest-free loans. Who would go to the loanshark Bank of 
Montreal when I can go to the interest-free Bank of Canada? 

DG: in the ancient world free citizens didn't usually pay 
taxes. Generally speaking, tribute was levied only on 
conquered populations. Subject cities, however, did have to 
pay tribute. Even within the Persian Empire, Persians did not 
have to pay tribute to the Great King, but the inhabitants of 
conquered provinces did.51 

None of this, however, deals a mortal blow to the state theory 
of money. Even those states that did not demand taxes did levy 
fees, penalties, tariffs, and fines of one sort or another. 
But it is very hard to reconcile with any theory that claims 
states were first conceived as guardians of some sort of 
cosmic, primordial debt. 

P64: It's curious that primordial-debt theorists never have 
much to say about Sumer or Babylonia, despite the fact that 
Mesopotamia is where the practice of loaning money at interest 
was first invented, probably two thousand years before the 
Vedas were composed - and that it was also the home of the 
world's first states. But if we look into Mesopotamian 
history, it becomes a little less surprising. Again, what we 
find there is in many ways the exact opposite of what such 
theorists would have predicted.

JCT: Perhaps monopolizing all the seeds in the hands of one 
brother, or cousin, or tribe helped create the big empires. 
Maybe usury was necessary for monopoly of resources necessary 
for conquest. 

DG: We don't know precisely when and how interest-bearing 
loans originated, since they appear to predate writing. Most 
likely, Temple administrators invented the idea as a way of 
financing the caravan trade. This trade was crucial because 
while the river valley of ancient Mesopotamia was 
extraordinarily fertile and produced huge surpluses of grain 
and other foodstuffs, and supported enormous numbers of 
livestock, which in turn supported a vast wool and leather 
industry, it was almost completely lacking in anything else. 
Stone, wood, metal, even the silver used as money, all had to 
be imported. From quite early times, then, Temple 
administrators developed the habit of advancing goods to local 
merchants - some of them private, others themselves Temple 
functionaries - who would then go off and sell it overseas. 
Interest was just a way for the Temples to take their share of 
the resulting profits.54  
54. Hudson's interpretation (2002) suggest that interest may 
have instead originated in rental fees. 

JCT: Interest isn't just a "way" to take their share but a 
trap of a way. 

However, once established, the principle seems to have quickly 
spread. Before long, we find not only commercial loans, but 
also consumer loans - usury in the classical sense of the 
term. By c. 2400 BC it already appears to have been common 
practice on the part of local officials, or wealthy merchants, 
to advance loans to peasants who were in financial trouble on 
collateral and begin to appropriate their possessions if they 
were unable to pay. It usually started with grain, sheep, 
goats, and furniture, then moved on to fields and houses, or, 
alternately or ultimately, family members. Servants, if any, 
went quickly, followed by children, wives, and in some extreme 
occasions, even the borrower himself. These would be reduced 
to debt-peons: not quite slaves, but very close to that, 
forced into perpetual service in the lender's household - or, 
sometimes, in the Temples or Palaces themselves. In theory, of 
course, any of them could be redeemed whenever the borrower 
repaid the money, but for obvious reasons, the more a 
peasant's resources were stripped away from him, the harder 
that became.

P65: The effects were such that they often threatened to rip 
society apart. If for any reason there was a bad harvest, 
large proportions of the peasantry would fall into debt 
peonage; families would be broken up. Before long, lands lay 
abandoned as indebted farmers fled their homes for fear of 
repossession and joined semi - nomadic bands on the desert 
fringes of urban civilization. 

JCT: These are the infamous "Habiru," outlaws populating most 
nations at the time. 

DG: Faced with the potential for complete social breakdown, 
Sumerian and later Babylonian kings periodically announced 
general amnesties: "clean slates," as economic historian 
Michael Hudson refers to them. Such decrees would typically 
declare all outstanding consumer debt null and void 
(commercial debts were not affected), return all land to its 
original owners, and allow all debt-peons to return to their 
families. Before long, it became more or less a regular habit 
for kings to make such a declaration on first assuming power, 
and many were forced to repeat it periodically over the course 
of their reigns. 

JCT: But leaving the positive feedback on debts on kept 
causing the same problems over and over and over again. 

DG: In Sumeria, these were called "declarations of freedom" - 
and it is significant that the Sumerian word amargi, the first 
recorded word for "freedom" in any known human language, 
literally means "return to mother" - since this is what freed 
debt-peons were finally allowed to do.56 
56. In ancient Egypt there were no loans at interest, and we 
know relatively little about other early empires, so we don't 
know how unusual this was. 

JCT: I heard Egypt used glass money for local currency so 
Pharaoh could have been a wise ruler. But by the time of 
Akhenaten's father, Amenhotep III, they were getting short of 
gold and besieged by pleas from other empires to buy their 
goods by sending gold. So whether they had interest-bearing 
loans internally, by the time of Pharaoh Phlower 
Child, I'd bet they had amassed a huge foreign debt in gold. 
Even reduced to sending metal with gold. Probably Horemheb 
gave Solomon his daughter to wife, better terms on his loan. 

DG: But the Chinese evidence is at the very least suggestive. 
Chinese theories of money were always resolutely Chartalist; 
and in the standard story about the origins of coinage, since 
at least Han times, the mythic founder of the Shang dynasty, 
upset to see so many families having to sell their children 
during famines, created coins so that the government could 
redeem the children and return them to their families (see 
chapter 8, below).

JCT: Genghis and Kublai known for using bark bucks. 

P67: evidence as we do have suggests that the crucial 
documents date from sometime between 500 and 400 BC - that is, 
roughly the time of Socrates - which in India appears to have 
been just around the time that a commercial economy and 
institutions like coined money and interest-bearing loans were 
beginning to become features of everyday life. The 
intellectual classes of the time were, much as they were in 
Greece and China, grappling with the implications. 

P70: The only way to redeem ourselves is to dedicate ourselves 
to the service of Humanity as a whole. In his lifetime, Comte 
was considered something of a crackpot, but his ideas proved 
influential. His notion of unlimited obligations to society 
ultimately crystallized in the notion of the "social debt," a 
notion taken up among social reformers and, eventually, 
socialist politicians in many parts of Europe and abroad.62 
"We are all born as debtors to society" 

JCT: And Major Douglas says we are all born share-holders in 
society with a due dividend from investment of our forefathers' 
achievements. Quite the polar views, debtor and inheritor. 



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